To easy to get high reputation..

[Snake17]

I see there are many seedhours/karma giveaways floating around, and people can build up incredible rep by giving away such. It is a lot of rep focus here on T.I, because those who have high rep do also get the best invites!

Lets say i have 600 TTi seedhours. I can make an invite for it or just give them away as they are. Im now opening a GA thread with 10x50 SHs. After giving away such i'll probably have 2 or maybe 3 stars more! But if i give an invite, my rep wont change remarkable. I think thats unfair, and that the minimum of SHs/Karma etc should be higher, IMO 50 seedhours is'nt enough.

And why are'nt 5 GB upload allowed here? You can send 50 seedhours, but you can't send something that costs 72 seedhours? For me, its so much better to get 5 GB upload instead of 50 seedhours..

Anyone who agrees with me? This was just my opinion, whats yours?

Btw, i apologize if this topic have been up before. And im sorry if somebody felt a little bit of "struck" about this post, that is not the meaning!!

[Raven]

I guess in a way I agree. But I see both sides of it. I gave away a lot of high level invites and got not much rep. People who joined after me gave away seed hours and blew past me.

I even started a thread to stop giving away seedtime. It was shot down hard but then I did give some seedtime and got some serious rep. I'll help out anyone in a bind ,, the real me. And I saw giving away the seedtime as helping out someone in a bind.

But you make a very good point indeed.

[sWiFT]

I see there are many seedhours/karma giveaways floating around, and people can build up incredible rep by giving away such. It is a lot of rep focus here on T.I, because those who have high rep do also get the best invites!

Lets say i have 600 TTi seedhours. I can make an invite for it or just give them away as they are. Im now opening a GA thread with 10x50 SHs. After giving away such i'll probably have 2 or maybe 3 stars more! But if i give an invite, my rep wont change remarkable. I think thats unfair, and that the minimum of SHs/Karma etc should be higher, IMO 50 seedhours is'nt enough.

And why are'nt 5 GB upload allowed here? You can send 50 seedhours, but you can't send something that costs 72 seedhours? For me, its so much better to get 5 GB upload instead of 50 seedhours..

Anyone who agrees with me? This was just my opinion, whats yours?

Btw, i apologize if this topic have been up before. And im sorry if somebody felt a little bit of "struck" about this post, that is not the meaning!!


You've sorted answered your own question... 5 gigs means alot more giveaways and more pplz abusing the rep.

We've tried to make it fair by allowing such giveaways here on TI but also tried to restrict it as we've noticed there is abuse going on.

The simple solution would be to set higher restrictions or stop the entire thing. IMO

[xXxCloudxXx]

Yeah i think either stop it completely or just make it you can't rep for SH.

I think rep for SH kind of goes against what rep is about.

I mean sure they gave away something but where is the risk or trust? It doesn't mean they are a good member by just giving SH.

I think just completely scrap the idea of reping people for SH, sure people will still do it but at least it will slow down the abuse

[NewBoy]

Yeah i think either stop it completely or just make it you can't rep for SH.

I think rep for SH kind of goes against what rep is about.

I mean sure they gave away something but where is the risk or trust? It doesn't mean they are a good member by just giving SH.

I think just completely scrap the idea of reping people for SH, sure people will still do it but at least it will slow down the abuse
I must agree and disagree with you...I try to explain:
For some of us,you,or me,or any other user,SH is way for someone to get rep,but that user that got all that time of SH is hard work(i mean you must be patient and on most sites like TTi or BITHDTV or any else)if you want good Bonus you must leave your PC 24/7,that is some work(not hard but that member are triying to get some,and work is work)so i respect that...
On the other hand,put yourself in position of Noob,member who lately got TTi,and he already download 8Gb and up only 2-3 and have ****y ratio,for that users 5 or 10GB is BIG like house...
So i disagree to turn off rep,because in my opinion,if you want to turn off REP,then turn off it completly(in GIveawys also)and then you will see who is good users and who is REP chasers...If Swift or Omega turn down REP,i guarantee that 85-90% of users will stop here giveaway

My point is:IF SOMEONE have HIGH BIG REP,DOESNT MEAN THAT IS GREAT USERS AND THAT HE DESERVE U*-* or F***

[sWiFT]

I must agree and disagree with you...I try to explain:
For some of us,you,or me,or any other user,SH is way for someone to get rep,but that user that got all that time of SH is hard work(i mean you must be patient and on most sites like TTi or BITHDTV or any else)if you want good Bonus you must leave your PC 24/7,that is some work(not hard but that member are triying to get some,and work is work)so i respect that...
On the other hand,put yourself in position of Noob,member who lately got TTi,and he already download 8Gb and up only 2-3 and have ****y ratio,for that users 5 or 10GB is BIG like house...
So i disagree to turn off rep,because in my opinion,if you want to turn off REP,then turn off it completly(in GIveawys also)and then you will see who is good users and who is REP chasers...If Swift or Omega turn down REP,i guarantee that 85-90% of users will stop here giveaway

My point is:IF SOMEONE have HIGH BIG REP,DOESNT MEAN THAT IS GREAT USERS AND THAT HE DESERVE U*-* or F***


I agree to disagree... j/k

No but really this is an iffy topic and i understand both arguments.

[NewBoy]

I know Swift:)
I also understand what Dillsta and Snake want to said,and on some way i agree,but also i feel that in this case i need to stand on side users that do that,because that is also one way of helping...
But i agree about REP...If you ask me,best thing will be to shut down REP,and then to see who will still do giveaways seed hours and Invites....
In my giveaway,i look for potenital good users,not for users with highest rep...
Example:if i have invite for F*** or F** and i decide to make giveaway,i wouldnt give invite to Highest Rep users,i would look for someone who will be good member there

[xXxCloudxXx]

Yeah i see what you are saying NewBoy

And yeah i agree that maybe rep should go,

remember back to the time when rep was down for a bit, there was next to no giveaways.

[infrared88]

I totally agree with you Snake17, I thought about starting a thread about this a few days ago. I don't feel a seedhour rep should be equal to an invite rep. You can give so many away compared to the invites you get.

I don't use bit-hdtv or tti, if the trackers I use had seedhours I too could have a ton of rep right now. I don't think it's quite fair... though I'm not sure what to do about it.

[xXxCloudxXx]

Well check this out blackicee has a rep of (3510), that is the 5th highest on TI
Checked his post threads he has made.

He has not completed one giveaway except for karma and SH lol and he has 5th highest rep.

Not saying we cant trust him but this is a prefect example of why rep is buls**t lol

[NewBoy]

Well check this out blackicee has a rep of (3510), that is the 5th highest on TI
Checked his post threads he has made.

He has not completed one giveaway except for karma and SH lol and he has 5th highest rep.

Not saying we cant trust him but this is a prefect example of why rep is buls**t lol

With that i agree....Maybe Swift and Omega you can make something for example:

That 10giveaways seed hours be=One invite giveaway...I mean 1Invite is strong as 10x100Bithdtv or 10x100TTi hours...
On that way,i mean that all be fair,and i can bet that,we will have much much less SH giveaways:rolleyes:

[invitesplease]

I understand both sides of the story.

I am new here and to torrents sites in general. If someone gave me karma or SH when I first started it would have been huge then. But now its seems easy for most of my sites to get bonus SH or karma. I am scared to give away invites for my lowest sites I have because I worked my butt off to make them good accounts.

The one of solutions I see for the problem is that reps should be of higher value for members with higher reps. Not just for moderators and staff. This way if new members give tons of karma SH bonus or lower level invites it would take way longer to get the higher reputation we deserve.

Or you could just get ride of points altogether and just have qualification levels and give levels of rank. I look at everything like its a business. If you are a top level executive you don't start in the mail room just because your new to a company. If a member can sustain a one high level tracker or more they are worth more to this community in general. If you complete 4 years of college you will make more money than the guy who never went to school for the most part. It doesn't mean that will always be the case there are always exceptions to the rule.

One last thing. It is always up to the giver to make the decision to give the invite or whatever right? If you don't want to give away a invite to a member with 1 million reps you don't have to if it doesn't seem right.

I could have just shot myself in the foot to move quickly up in the ranks but it the truth and someone better read this or I will repost it. haha

[sWiFT]

I don't care how much rep they have i usually review a members posts and do a google search on the name before i share a invite specially one that i cherish ;)

The fact it is very hard topic and we're gonna agree to disagree.

Giving karma, bonus, gigs is good as they help other members out... I can imagine if i was in a bind. But pplz are abusing and to stop rep only on this would be unfair.

The only fix would be to require higher amounts yet this would be alil tougher on those that are giving this kind of stuff away...

ahhh... my head is spinning ;)

[invitesplease]

That's funny...I think by the time I finished the post I agree with you.

Lets see a billion dollar company based on only giving one point to a person at a time EBAY. Proof the system works and works well.

If some sells 1000 items worth $1 each and has a feedback of 1000 you still probably won't buy a $100,000 car from him with out a back ground check. Now if a guy sells 10 $100,000 dollar cars and has a feedback of 10 you wouldn't even think twice about the stupid dollar item you were buying from him.

Rep is just ONE TOOL to HELP make a calculated intuitive wise decision on the trustworthiness of another member. That is it and I am done thinking about this and so should others.

This is a great place with some good people. I belief most forums are nothing but a bunch of people talking about things they don't have much real experience with themselves. I can tell you I am a great bike rider and you may belief me. But after I ride past you over 140mph on one wheel there won't be a doubt with there?

[Martin87o]

A lot has been written here and I agree with most of it.

The bottom line: you can always see what the person who has a lot of rep has gotten it for in their profile. That tells you something.

Still, people who are hunting for rep will only give stuff to people with a lot of rep, you can't help that unless you change the rep system.

[PirateChest]

I do agree it is a bit easy to get rep I am not bothered about rep though I don't demand it I'd rather not have it :)

[Dreamlite]

I dont have a lot of rep.
but I hope it does not give others bad impression about me. :)

[NewBoy]

I dont have a lot of rep.
but I hope it does not give others bad impression about me. :)

Who said it want???I think that you are a trader and scammer and cheater:p:p:p:p:p
J/k mate,i agree rep isnt matter,its all about helping others and making friends;)

[Dreamlite]

newboy, I will remember this. I will report to sWiFT and he will punish you :p:p

[ballz666]

well for someone just starting out it doesnt seem so

[max19267]

Post this in another thread but i suppose its more appropriate in this:

I basically think the rep system is a good idea and wants it. But lately there are some factors that, i think, has put the rep system in hyper inflation-mode.

I´m talking about the bonus/karma/SH etc section. Users with almost no time in the forum can get sky high rep in notime (and yes i now that you can go in on profile and look whats building the rep, but that doesn´t matter much when poeople wants the rep points when giving away iinvites).

I have seen people who in october gives away TTi seedhours (gaining high rep in no time at all) and then in november asking to get TTi seedhors (and getting it because they have big rep) and so on....

I think it´s a problem for the legitimity of the rep system but understands that its not so easy to change in an easy way.

Perhaps the rep given in the bonus/karma/SH etc section should be worth less, say 50% or even 25%. That way the focus on rep sholud be more substantional.

But, as i said earlier, this is not an easy question & i definetly wants a rep system.

Cheers

[ramires]

I agree with you all,
the minimum seed hours for example on TTi should 5gb
or on seedhours section rep should me smaller

[Martin87o]

Well, I've been away for a while and some users's rep has gone through the roof. I think a change in the rep system is neccessary, or we wont be an invite forum, but only a bonus forum in which bonus is moved back and forth (the same bonus, mind you).

[Barru]

i think we can make it 5gb TTi upload instead of 50...and 500 bit-hdtv instead of min of 100...and we should make a rule such tat people should not circulate karma within ourselves... i have stopped Giving away bit-hdtv karma as im asking karma to others.... i think it is not fair to ask then give away same karma to others....
its a excellent site lets not spoil it.....
some action need to be taken immediately nor this will go crazy.....

[KillerBoy]

First of all,I feel heat off this spot lol guys com'on take it easy...it's not about how many points should be given per single give away,it's more likely about the Rep system getting abused with loads of Reps given/taken to certain users..that what you think,right ?! Well,with all due respect,giving away x amount of points to bunch of users is a good karma & that's why there's a Rep system which can be used to give gifts to others...so what's the heck then ? I gave something to somebody regardless that thing being small or even tiny or rather huge...I deserve something in return,a thanks maybe or else a Rep point,either would be great...

On the other hand,after I got here,I surfed the place & checked certain topics that were kinda interesting,one of them was the "karma/bonus/credit points" thread,which stated that the amount of points given as give aways won't be less than 50 points & it's final...so guys,there was already an amendment to certain rules especially the Give Away ones...

[infrared88]

I think the minimum requirements need to be raised again. I just joined bithdtv and didn't realize you gained karma points that quick... I earned 150 points in the first week I've been there... and I haven't downloaded very much yet.

I really appreciate members giving out seedhours and points here and I do think they deserve rep for it... but I feel the limits need to be changed.

[badtony]

i guess i'm too new to really 'get' the rep system. suppose I'd give reps out if out if I knew how to give or get them. I suppose tht I need to read further or have someone share

[KillerBoy]

I think the minimum requirements need to be raised again. I just joined bithdtv and didn't realize you gained karma points that quick... I earned 150 points in the first week I've been there... and I haven't downloaded very much yet.

I really appreciate members giving out seedhours and points here and I do think they deserve rep for it... but I feel the limits need to be changed.

Well,then what ?! you get in there,farm some points then come back in here to give them for free,so same happened with everyone who already had or still having a give away thread for that...IMO no limits need to be changed at all,we're just fine as it is!

[kLeFtHs]

I think giving away karma can be good. There are times for example that everybody is giving away Bit-HDTV invites and no one is claiming them which means at the time most people who wanted in are in, then it is better to make the invites into karma and help someone that needs it.

Of course karma give-aways can be bad for the exact opposite reason.

[KillerBoy]

I think giving away karma can be good. There are times for example that everybody is giving away Bit-HDTV invites and no one is claiming them which means at the time most people who wanted in are in, then it is better to make the invites into karma and help someone that needs it.

Of course karma give-aways can be bad for the exact opposite reason.

Yeah,but even after you get in,you still also need to get some Karma points for getting GB upload if you have problems buffering a good ratio,or else just feel generous to give back something to the community that first made your dream come true...

[fireedo]

50Gb upload sound crazzy for me :) ...it will takes months for me to upload
I just have 10kb/s upload speed.... hehehe

[Jonhyota]

I just bump this thread, for say, the members who give anything for need some rep, are a ****** lamer, you give invite/SH/karma/gb cause you want help ppl not for rep & rep is uselless, dont care about that, you can have a huge rep & to be a lamer too ;) (take this post at first degré..)

But i agree too, minimum of 5-10gb, but the minimum SH, better if its 100 or above.

[tsafrir]

i think it will be good to raise the bar to a 100...
i like giving,and raising the min. won't prevent me from continuing doing that.

[yahav876]

you right .. its should be more ..

[xPerfection]

is good like that !

[KillerBoy]

Isn't this over yet ? :D

[djkneegrow]

No matter what happens people will try to abuse whatever they can, or respect what they want. Those who don't respect others usually don't last long. When I ever give out invites or bonus/sh, I look at two things. How long they have been a member here, and how they post and where. i could care less about their rep. Rep points are just something pretty. Actual rep here is different. I know who many members are here that I can trust and most of the reason is because I see quality intelligent posts from them all over the site and they have been around a while doing it. Members who camp out in the GA area are not members who I give anything to. Members who post quick simple posts constantly are members I don't give anything to. The reason for the to me is because they don't really seem to want to put forth effort to try and be part of a community. They are here to get what they want and that is it, no matter how much rep they have or try to get. I do politely ask for rep when I give someone an invite or sh, but if they don't rep me I don't get upset and there have been times that has happened. Rep points here are whatever someone makes of them. if you are a member who cares about rep that much, than it is very important to you. If you don't pay much attention to the rep points and more attention to the member, then rep means very little to you. It is all just what you make of it, plain and simple.

[JinXy Poo]

finally the rules have been changed.
now people have to earn rep.

[djkneegrow]

Stuff like repping for bonus/karma and stuff should be worth like 1/4 or 1/5 of normal rep. Giving someone bonus stuff like that doesn't really run any risk of getting an account banned or warned on sites so I don't think it should be as valuable as an invite to a site. If there is a way to make rep worth less for topic or what thread the posts are in that get repped that may help.

Repping for open sign ups should be very minimal too. Most of the time it is just a race to see who will post the info first, like from TL. When they open up invites on IRC all members know who check the main page and then it is whoever posts first. Most other open sites are just open all the time and there are so many threads started in the open sign ups area here that have the same sites being opened. Seems way too many repeat threads that are a bit different in some way that don't need to be.

Also a while back members were not supposed to rep unless they were given an invite or something, not just because of a post. I have seen a lot of rep go out that way lately.

Setting it to only allow rep in the invite giveaway areas and the invite request area could help to temper rep getting out of control. Giving bonuses/karma or stuff like that should be just out of generosity, and not to be able to get rep. Anyone on a site that gives bonus hours or something is easy to build that up. Hell I have given out over 200gb of time on TTi which costs 72 bonus hours each time and I still have over 4000 seed hour bonus left if that tells how easy building stuff like that up is.

[xXxCloudxXx]

Stuff like repping for bonus/karma and stuff should be worth like 1/4 or 1/5 of normal rep. Giving someone bonus stuff like that doesn't really run any risk of getting an account banned or warned on sites so I don't think it should be as valuable as an invite to a site. If there is a way to make rep worth less for topic or what thread the posts are in that get repped that may help.

Repping for open sign ups should be very minimal too. Most of the time it is just a race to see who will post the info first, like from TL. When they open up invites on IRC all members know who check the main page and then it is whoever posts first. Most other open sites are just open all the time and there are so many threads started in the open sign ups area here that have the same sites being opened. Seems way too many repeat threads that are a bit different in some way that don't need to be.

Also a while back members were not supposed to rep unless they were given an invite or something, not just because of a post. I have seen a lot of rep go out that way lately.

Setting it to only allow rep in the invite giveaway areas and the invite request area could help to temper rep getting out of control. Giving bonuses/karma or stuff like that should be just out of generosity, and not to be able to get rep. Anyone on a site that gives bonus hours or something is easy to build that up. Hell I have given out over 200gb of time on TTi which costs 72 bonus hours each time and I still have over 4000 seed hour bonus left if that tells how easy building stuff like that up is.

Absolutely correct, people dont realize that most people here who GA higher/better invites dont care about rep.

And yeah TTi SH are easy as water to gain, i mean at first i gave it away cause i dont use it lol, but after a while i just decided people were using my SH to giveaway again.

Although it is good now that the mods like GML are banning people that request them and just give them away again.

[jackhanna]

lol, so what buffer is worth it

[djkneegrow]

What? buffer is worth it?

[jackhanna]

Oops wrong thread

[LightOnTheLedge]

It does look like you all have a lot of rep. However, you can't stop that ball once you let it roll...