The Request Forum.

[Tempest]

We need some rules against this constant spamming in the invite request section, more specifically the constant "good luck" replys.

Frankly its unrequired spam. Half the time the "endorsements" are from people who couldnt vouch for the person in question and as a result give the false impression to anyone considering filling the request that total comments = trust value of the requester, the truth is people should be held acountable for who they endorse in such threads.

If 100 guys decide to fill there daily post qouta's by simply saying "OMFG DUDE YOU DESERVE A FAT FTN INVITE!!!! @@@@"("*(!*()*!_(".... " and a thread has become 5-10 pages long, something is clearly wrong with the system unless them 100 guys are all willing to accept the responsibility for the guy they are by proxy endorsing should he turn out to be a trader/cheater/whatever , adding consequence to this practice that i feel is getting out of hand will do the following things ;

1) Reduce the amount of spam in this section by around 99.9%
2) Mean that any "You deserve it i endorse this request" reply will hold some actual merit and meaning and can be used as a guide to gage someones "community trust level".

Is this a fool proof way of doing things? No.
Is it a better way of doing it than the system we have in place now? You bet your ass it is.

The reasons why we need to do this are self explanatory... get at it boys.

[Pipboy]

Coming this from a guy who has 400+ posts in little over a month :eek:...does not sound appropriate.

What's wrong in rooting for a fellow member of this community? Even if we can;t provide the necessary invite...the least we can do as a community is to give moral support whenever we can.

I really don't see anything wrong with this.

my 2 cents

[turtle]

Since we have the new thanks system in place, I think we can all show approval of someone's request by using the "thanks" button without having to post "good luck"

[itAyXD]

I think that it is true that there is a lot of spam in the request forum but I don't think the solution is to not let any1 support people that he think deserve the invite.
my suggestions are:
1) I think that instead of just say "Good luck" people should say at list 1 reason y they think this people deserve the invite.
2) I think that should be some1 from the staff that will tag request as trust - 100% trust - 75% and and etc.

[Tempest]

Coming this from a guy who has 400+ posts in little over a month :eek:...does not sound appropriate.

mMm, im not spammy. Im active, there's a difference. Stats (http://torrentinvite.com/forum/?do=activitystat).

And for the record i have posted one time on the invite request forum in order to make an endorsement of snrnld that i'am fully able to backup and be acountable for at any time. I dont post to build a count, if anything i think the post count should be removed from the forum username section so that people cant actually see what there current post count is (even if it still is ineffective in regards to forum access). But the point of this thread is more about the fact there is little to no merit in invite request support replys that are just spam as opposed to a situation were people were held acountable for there support... meaning they would become useful again.

But since you either didnt understand what i wrote, or didnt read it... hey... why not take the post count argument and run with that (-:

For anyone who actually cares what the real point here was btw... let me clear it up once again...

At no point did i suggest people should NOT support others in the invite request forum, i simply suggested that there should be consequences for doing so to enforce that every single endorsement or vouch is real and not just spam or flagrant aproval for the sake of doing so. If everyone is held acountable for who they vouch the system will be more secure and the side effect will be less spam.



# User Name Activity Join Date Posts
1 Tempest 100.0% 06-22-2009 - 04:53 PM 414
2 Pipboy (2 days to 100%) 98.1% 03-14-2009 - 08:30 PM 523
3 snrnld (27 days to 100%) 94.2% 05-31-2009 - 08:10 AM 682
4 captainz (25 days to 100%) 88.5% 03-29-2009 - 07:45 AM 558
5 Balkan_Baller (26 days to 100%) 84.9% 07-03-2009 - 10:14 PM 325
6 djandrew (12 days to 100%) 84.3% 07-07-2009 - 07:35 AM 216
7 Psnz (12 days to 100%) 81.8% 03-24-2009 - 08:06 PM 500
8 Professor (25 days to 100%) 75.6% 04-15-2009 - 04:18 AM 261
9 itAyXD (26 days to 100%) 74.4% 02-20-2009 - 06:29 AM 358
10 bhachuj (27 days to 100%) 71.0% 06-11-2008 - 10:04 AM 1160

[Pipboy]

I thought this thread was about the request thread...not parading one's activity stats?

[itAyXD]

mMm, im not spammy. Im active, there's a difference. Stats.

And for the record i have posted one time on the invite request forum in order to make an endorsement of snrnld that i'am fully able to backup and be acountable for at any time. I dont post to build a count, if anything i think the post count should be removed from the forum username section so that people cant actually see what there current post count is (even if it still is ineffective in regards to forum access). But the point of this thread is more about the fact there is little to no merit in invite request support replys that are just spam as opposed to a situation were people were held acountable for there support... meaning they would become useful again.

But since you either didnt understand what i wrote, or didnt read it... hey... why not take the post count argument and run with that (-:

For anyone who actually cares what the real point here was btw... let me clear it up once again...

At no point did i suggest people should NOT support others in the invite request forum, i simply suggested that there should be consequences for doing so to enforce that every single endorsement or vouch is real and not just spam or flagrant aproval for the sake of doing so. If everyone is held acountable for who they vouch the system will be more secure and the side effect will be less spam.


so what do u think on my suggestions I think they can help to do want u want to do :D

[Psnz]

Dude seriously, there is nothing worng with supporting a fellow memeber thats why we are a community. A argument to this situation could also be to limit the number of intor post per member . Bottom line is we are a community here, communities support one another.
Psnz

[Tempest]

itAyXD, yep i think your in the ball park with your ideas, but its not down to me what should actually happen as a solution im simply using the feedback forum to point out an issue as i see it. That said i think your suggestion would be an improvement on the current situation. Thanks for the constructive input.

Pipboy, Oh i agree in full, but since someones first response to this thread was to bring into acount my own post count as somehow a reason i shouldn't be posting about other peoples post counts i was simply illustrating that A) This thread isnt actually about that , and B) He was wrong. Perhaps i got a little off topic in the meantime.

Psnz, I agree in full, we are a community and its great to support each other, IF you know a person you should vouch for them, if not... its a blind faith vouch that means nothing and if im sat with FTN invites on the invite request forum looking for people who are trust worthy enough to give them too seeing 45 guys posting "this guy is awesome" without any kind of consequence to them having done so when 90% of them most likely never even spoke to the guy they are vouching for before... im sat thinking ill hold onto my invites. Now... if somehow a system was put in place that had some acountability to it, and 5 people had posted a vouch who had spent some time getting to know a person, id be more inclinde to help said guy out.... do you not see were im going with this?

What im suggesting would actually force the community to become closer as people would have a vested interest in getting to know each other more personally for the higher level requests.

I just arnt sure we are on the same page fella... i think we may have got off on the wrong foot, im sorry for that, or maybe its the fact you have a vested interest in the situation given you yourself have one such thread full of vouches from people who simply in the most part dont know you well enough to endorse you... but either way... im holding the peace pipe here hopeing we can find a constructive and better solution than the system we have if we meet someplace in the middle... you must see how the current system is flawed from an inviters point of view?

[Psnz]

Tempest i see your point and your side of the argument is strong and clear :D you obviously have a good point

[Balkan_Baller]

im with tempest:D...i think that "good luck" and "nice GA" etc. is S.P.A.M.
people should use Thanks(nobody use it, someone but rare) more, and if they wanna to say that he is good community member(like me:D) or he is good seeder(also like me:D) or many more, then they can post.

Cheers;)

[The Dude]

OK I have an opinion regarding this matter:

Imo "nice GA" is indeed spam, not so when it is in the request section. Tell me frankly -> do you really care if the person you're inviting got 30 "good luck"'s or 45? The good luck isn't for the potential inviter, as a vote of confidence or whatever, but it is for the person who requests it, a friendly gesture and nothing more..would you consider happy b-day posts as spam? would you consider congrats for getting 500 posts spam?

Another reason why I think this doesn't apply in the request section is that the only reason that I see for spamming is to get your post count up, and the only reason to do that is to gain access to the request section

do you see the logical failure here? :D

Just my two cents :la:

[Tempest]

*snip*

Captainz mate, your missing the point... this thread is not about spam, the reduction of spam is a side effect that got a mention in the OP but if you read it again im sure your going to see that this thread is about vouchers for requesters and acountability, and how having some level of acountability will make us stronger.

[The Dude]

Captainz mate, your missing the point... this thread is not about spam, the reduction of spam is a side effect that got a mention in the OP but if you read it again im sure your going to see that this thread is about vouchers for requesters and acountability, and how having some level of acountability will make us stronger.

Yeah OK -> regarding the vouching stuff, I really don't think it's worth anything tbh. If you plan on fulfilling a request, imo u'd better off checking the requester's post history, previous giveaways ect. , instead of looking at his request thread :D

do you honestly think vouching counts for anything 'cept making the requester feel he's got some friends here + bump his request?
I know that if I were to grant someone's request then vouching, be it from Omega himself or a complete n00b, would not interest me the least, cuz after all it's my a*s as the inviter and not theirs.

I see your points, I look at this vouching business from a different point of view. Methinks that if you need vouching from ppl in order to convince me you deserve the invite-> then you don't deserve it in the first place. I would only fill a request that I would fill regardless to the vouching, cuz I know the person and trust him.

I hope you see where I'm aiming to now, and btw I respect what you're saying as well u little wanker, some good points there ;)

:la:

[GuitarGuy]

OK I have an opinion regarding this matter:

Imo "nice GA" is indeed spam, not so when it is in the request section. Tell me frankly -> do you really care if the person you're inviting got 30 "good luck"'s or 45? The good luck isn't for the potential inviter, as a vote of confidence or whatever, but it is for the person who requests it, a friendly gesture and nothing more..would you consider happy b-day posts as spam? would you consider congrats for getting 500 posts spam?

Another reason why I think this doesn't apply in the request section is that the only reason that I see for spamming is to get your post count up, and the only reason to do that is to gain access to the request section

do you see the logical failure here? :D

Just my two cents :la:

+1

and u will never say good luck or spam on a request thread of a guy u dnt like
so . we get an idea what kinda of guy he is so it is easy for him to get invite at least i choose a guy by his activity , rep and see wat kinda friends he have ... it always works

[itAyXD]

+1

and u will never say good luck or spam on a request thread of a guy u dnt like
so . we get an idea what kinda of guy he is so it is easy for him to get invite at least i choose a guy by his activity , rep and see wat kinda friends he have ... it always works

this is exactly the point some peoples doing it just for more activity (sure not all others doing it for support their friends) but I'm sure that those who doing it to support their friends can easily give a reason y they think this man deserve it and that could really help the inviter decide giving the invite or not and that will also help ur friend more....

[Tempest]

lol Captainz, fair point.

I dont have all the answers guys, and maybe im wrong with this one. But i dont regret having posted about it at all. I still feel that a valid vouch system with acountability would be an improvement on the current method... but im not so invested in the concept that my world will end if nobody agree's with me :P

Thanks for the input guys.

[142536coco]

thanks

[george jung]

thanks

LOL go on defeat the purpose of this whole discussion

[azertume]

Personally I don't understand why some people make request.

For some tracker who hard to get invitation I understand (like BCG,ScT,EleK'...) but for invite who are often in the giveaway it's enough to wait.

[DoMinator]

Good luck posts are a good way of bumping a GA. I say let it carry on.

[itAyXD]

Bump this thread because I think there is a very good suggestions here...

[turtle]

You can simply use the "thanks" button to show support instead of posting "good luck".

[itAyXD]

Yep that exactly what I'm saying that if someone want to say "good luck" he should press the thanks button but if he want to explain himself and say y he thinks the guy should get the invite he should write at least at list 1 reason y they think this people deserve the invite.
And if we ant to make the forum even more useful we can also what I offer in my first post in this thread:

I think that should be some1 from the staff that will tag request as trust - 100% trust - 75% and and etc.

[Rocko]

Well its true that some people just want to increase their post count by posting "nice GA/ you deserve to be the president" **** in every single topic. This has to stop. It's always nice to hear a member say some encouraging words like what thoughts he has about you / past experiences in general, but when a person who you've never even talked to says "you are teh king of this forumz have a ftn invite thanks bye" it feels like nothing.

[mitraark]

Heh Heh , I do not think spamming is going to stop so easily here . What's more Important is , this Community really is bulit on them , its Not Strict , people talk very casually , and that in my opinion is the best part of T.I. Ask other people , they get sick of Rules And Stuff elsewhere :(

[turtle]

Heh Heh , I do not think spamming is going to stop so easily here . What's more Important is , this Community really is bulit on them , its Not Strict , people talk very casually , and that in my opinion is the best part of T.I. Ask other people , they get sick of Rules And Stuff elsewhere :(

are you saying that the community is built on spam? I much rather have it built on trust, which is why some members are working towards to stop the spam. It takes up server space and is just plain useless. Spam is another way to boost your post count, are you going to trust a member with 400 posts that only contains one or two words. They are obviously not here to help the community but to find whatever invites they need and never come back again.