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Doomsday2007
10-11-2010, 11:19 PM
I wanted to find another topic that merged two potentially hot-button issues to discuss. This time its environmentalism and religion. As you'll see in the excerpt below (or read in its entirety here http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/environmentalism-as-religion) the absence of traditional religion and emergence of environmental consciousness has formed a new presence not only in the minds, but in the hearts, of traditional non-believers.

Words by Joel Garreau at The New Atlantis

"Traditional religion is having a tough time in parts of the world. Majorities in most European countries have told Gallup pollsters in the last few years that religion does not “occupy an important place” in their lives. Across Europe, Judeo-Christian church attendance is down, as is adherence to religious prohibitions such as those against out-of-wedlock births. And while Americans remain, on average, much more devout than Europeans, there are demographic and regional pockets in this country that resemble Europe in their religious beliefs and practices.

The rejection of traditional religion in these quarters has created a vacuum unlikely to go unfilled; human nature seems to demand a search for order and meaning, and nowadays there is no shortage of options on the menu of belief. Some searchers syncretize Judeo-Christian theology with Eastern or New Age spiritualism. Others seek through science the ultimate answers of our origins, or dream of high-tech transcendence by merging with machines — either approach depending not on rationalism alone but on a faith in the goodness of what rationalism can offer.

The two faces of religious environmentalism — the greening of mainstream religion and the rise of carbon Calvinism — may each transform the political and policy debate over climate change. In the former case, the growing Christian interest in stewardship could destabilize the political divide that has long characterized the culture wars. Although the pull of social issues has made the right seem like a natural home for evangelicals, a commitment to environmentalism might lead them to align themselves more with the left. Even if no major realignment takes place, the bond between evangelicals and the right might be loosened somewhat. (And beyond politics, other longstanding positions may be shaken up. Activists and scientists who long pooh-poohed evangelicals because of their views on evolution or the life questions will have to get accustomed to working with the new environmental “foot soldiers,” and vice versa.)

A deeper concern is the expansion of irrationalism in the making of public policy. Of course, no policy debate can ever be reduced to matters of pure reason; there will always be fundamentally clashing values and visions that cannot be settled by rationality alone. But the rhetoric of many environmentalists is more than just a working out of those fundamental differences. The language of the carbon fundamentalists “indicates a shift from [seeking to help] the public and policymakers understand a complex issue, to demonizing disagreement,” as Braden Allenby has written. “The data-driven and exploratory processes of science are choked off by inculcation of belief systems that rely on archetypal and emotive strength.... The authority of science is relied on not for factual *enlightenment but as ideological foundation for authoritarian policy.”

There is nothing unusual about human beings taking more than one path in their search for truth — science at the same time as religion, for example. Nor is there anything unusual about making public policy without sufficient data. We do it all the time; the world sometimes demands it.

The good news about making public policy in alliance with faith is that it can provoke a certain beneficial zeal. People tend to be more deeply moved by faith than by reason alone, and so faith can be very effective in bringing about necessary change — as evidenced by the civil rights movement, among others.

The bad news is that the empirical approach arose in no small part to mitigate the dangers of zeal — to keep blood from flowing in the streets. A strict focus on fact and reason whenever possible can avert error and excess in policy. But can someone who has made a faith of *environmentalism — whose worldview and lifestyle have been utterly shaped by it — adapt to changing facts? For the one fact we reliably know about the future of the planet’s climate is that the facts will change. It is simply too complex to be comprehensively and accurately modeled. As climatologist Gavin Schmidt jokes, there is a simple way to produce a perfect model of our climate that will predict the weather with 100 percent accuracy: first, start with a universe that is exactly like ours; then wait 14 billion years.

So what happens if, say, we discover that it is not possible to return the environment to the conditions we desire, as James Lovelock expects? What happens if evidence accumulates that we should address climate change with methods that the carbon Calvinists don’t approve of? To what extent, if any, would devotees of the *“natural” accept reengineering the planet? How long will it take, if ever, for nuclear power to be accepted as green?

In the years ahead, we will see whether the supposedly scientific debates over the environment can really be conducted by fact and reason alone, or whether necessary change, whatever that may turn out be, will require some new Reformation. For if environmental matters really have become matters of faith — if environmentalism has become a new front in the longstanding culture wars — then what place is left for the crucial function of pragmatic, democratic decision-making?"

What do you think of the article, do you agree or disagree with its conclusions, is there a middle ground, etc.). I'd rather this discussion/debate not devolve into the veracity of Climate Change, but if that's where it ends up... so be it :p. No Spam!

Levitys
10-12-2010, 07:17 AM
Ok first off let me say that global warming is a scam and I never bought into it for one second.
Secondly, I agree with this conclusion theoretically, but there is so much more behind this than meets the eye.

Environmentalism started out with people who cared for the earth and who were actually trying to do something that they believed was good. presently we have a whole different kind of ball game going on. Environmentalism has become nothing more than a conduit for socialism. Corrupt politicians use it to further there agendas and are currently working to pass laws that will most definitely tax us to death. Cap and Trade is what they are claiming needs to be passed to slow the pollution and death of our planet when in fact it will do no such thing. The only thing it will accomplish is a transfer of our countries wealth to someone else.
It makes me sick to my stomach to think that the American people, my brothers and sisters, are so ignorant to this. If nothing is done soon to wake the rest of us up out of our media induced slumber we are going to be crushed. They are going to wake up and say what happend? and it will be too late.

lol ok maybe a little deep but to your point.......
I would say environmentalism is like an evangelic TV religion except its new and hip.
Everyone just loves to know that they saved a tree somewhere when they bought there starbucks cappuccino. What a crock!

Doomsday2007
10-12-2010, 07:58 AM
Tell us how you really feel about global warming… :)

Thanks for your input, and pointing out something important about the environmental movement. Regardless of where it is or what it means now, it has its roots in conservation, which is joined at the hip to modern conservatism. Problem is, the progressive label attached to climate change has anyone not a believer in a tough spot if they believe in conservation but not necessarily the entire agenda of the current environmental movement.