Leecher Request? Maybe a new section ?

[AlexKrycek]

Okay guys have an idea but first I have to say that my english isn't so good to express this accurate therefor I made an example I hope everyone will understand this.

The main idea is to help each other by an indirect way to donate upload on a tracker.
This will be done by requesting from others to leech a file where the person who requests it is seeder.

Example : User A is seeder on file B on tracker X, so he requests from a T.I. member to act as a leecher for file B on Tracker X.

The User who will leech the file doesn't have to leech the whole file he can leech only a part of it,
and that can rewarded with a rep.

Maybe a whole section could be arised with the different trackers inside in where you ask for leecher.

I know that some problems can appear, so one rule I think that is needed is that the user who requests the leecher must be the only seeder on the file and that he must really need the upload and maybe there must be added some more rules.

This will only be for non traders because no one would help a trader to push his ratio only to get an invite he can trade after.
This even could be a exclusive section which can entered only by members of the anti-traders club.

I think this will work, many user have high buffered accounts which is no needed so they can spend some from their ratio to help others, a similiar thing is already working, meaning the TTi uploads and seedhours.

[djkneegrow]

It is a good idea. It is a way for others to help in the community that may be a little hesitant to give invites, either because of being burned by someone or not having higher level sites, and a way to show they want to be here and want to help. There would need to be a strict sit of rules layed out for it so that it wouldn't get abused. A few questions about it though:

1. How would you oversee that people would be helping and not just saying they are so they can get rep points?

2. What would stop someone from saying they are in need when all they want is a buffered account to trade?

3. How would you stop someone from just abusing this that has a bad ratio and just wants to up their upload total to put it back to a bad ratio?

4. Couldn't this be considered cheat like having some kind of software to help buff stats, or having a second account to try and do the same?

Those are a few questions I was wondering about the idea. Please don't think I am trying to crush you idea because it does seem like a great idea and a good way to help others and even get people involved more with the community here. If I am wrong for asking these questions then I am sorry, but it was just a few things I was wondering about it. Maybe if this does seem like a good idea we could have some sort of committee put together, kind of like the anti-traders club or the scc ban club, that would be the people who would do the leeching to help seeders get better ratio and more upload credit. Also maybe there would be rules on who would get the help, like having to be a member of a certain tracker for so long, or not having a ratio below a certain point before someone starts leeching that torrent file to help out. I dunno, but hopefully this input helps in some way with this and doesn't hurt the idea.

[AlexKrycek]

Thanks that you spend some time to read this and maked a few thoughts about it.
To your points :

1. The user who request's the leecher will check his stats of the specific torrent before and after the leech so he can see how many upload he got. Here must be set another rule, for example : by a file of 350-700mb and lower the leecher has to leech at least 50% of the file, by a file of 750-2,5gb he must leech at least 35% of the file....... to get a rep. This rules can be modified further.

2. The member who requests the leecher must give the tracker username to the leecher so that he can also check and confirm that the upload is needed. Here should also be set a few rules : The person who requests leecher should specify in the thread why he wants the upload, for example : "I need the upload because my ratio felt under 0.8" or "I want the upload to get power user so I can get an Invite to give it away at T.I." and all this will be checked.

3. This would be a problem in the beginning but after some time this specific user would attract attention with his many requests.

4. Okay when you set it so it would be much easier to cheat but we not talking about cheating here, we would not falsify any upload/download stats but download for a T.I. member who needs it on a fair way and this is as far as I know not cheating.

[djkneegrow]

Those are some good ways to help with problems. If it was to ever come to be it would need to be watched over by trusted people here and maybe have some people used as sort of middle men or something to help avoid problems and to help it run smooth. Anyone else have input on this would be nice to see some opinions or other thoughts to help out AlexKrycek's idea would be nice.

[AlexKrycek]

Thanks for the support djkneegrow,
and yeah I would like too to see some more opinions.

[ksauron]

great idea man!
guess it will have to work on trust, would be glad to lend a helping hand here lolz

tc guys

[Epik]

good idea , never thought about this b4 :p

more opinions would help :P

[ohmar]

I think its a good idea, but would be interested to hear how it could be worked out. I would be down to help out for sure!

[djkneegrow]

I think it could work as long as it is regulated by a select group, at least at first, an dif it started out slow. Maybe start with only a set of like 5-7 sites that it is allowed on and only 3-5 people can request at first and try to have like 2-4 people doing the leeching. I feel this would be the best way to go. Start off small and controlled to see how it works and then branch from there. I fwe don't do it someway like that it will get out of control and there will be no way to fix any problems that might happen. Starting small and slow will help to work out bugs and help to see if it can work and how well it can work. Also maybe have like 4 people be people to overlook this. A few other ideas would be how much help is given. For example, I have a tracker that I would like help getting ratio up and my download is at 2.0 gb and upload is 1.5 gb. My ratio is like .75 so I would get help with getting my ratio to lets say 1.5 or 2.0, something like that. The way it would work is I post to the selection committee, or whatever, the site, file, and maybe like a pic to show my ratio, and they ok having a thread posted asking for leechers to help get seeding up. I would put the file, site, and my ratio up so anyone who wanted to help could. The first like 2-4 that say they will help can and get repped after the process is done. The easiest way that might work to show getting rep and to show you are leeching is a pic of your info with the file shown leeching. TYhat way dates and times can be shown that prove you are helping and did help. That is just some of what we could do. It may seem like a lot of work, but this is pretty delicate to prove those who ask for help, and those who say they will help, don't get shafted by one another. Showing your stats before help happens and after would help with that member not taking advantage of this and downloading while they are getting help and abusing this idea. Those who are helping will also be able to prove they are and we wouldn't need to have as much of a worry of others saying they are helping to get repped and not doing it. There may be an easier way, but this is an idea I had on how to at least start the process and how it might work so no one comes out on the wrong side of it. This is also part of the reason why I feel it should be a slow and small thing to do at first just to test the waters out. Alex, see if any of this could help your idea or if you could use any of this to make it easier or whatever. I will try to help you any way I can to see if your idea can become a reality.

[AlexKrycek]

Djkneegrow I agree with that this must kept small at the beginning so it can be controled and thats why I said that only members of the anti-traders club could have access to the "Leecher request" thread.

The thing with the "committee" is a way too much I think and would need that some people offer alot of hours per day only to overview this whole thing.
The members of this site can handle it by them selfs and when something happens they can still report them in the report section,
but let the mass decide about this I'm still waiting for more opinions.

[cappy]

I think it would be a good idea. I know I have a site or two (only 2) that I could use help with. I think it should be non-traders only and I don't really care if it is for rep points or not. It would put more invites in here hopefully. Most of us read the posts and can tell who is cheating and/or looking to trade. We could include screenshots in the request to see if their ratio's are bad or if they are just needing help to get promoted or whatever. It would at least have to show amounts downloaded vs. uploaded to prove themselves.

[AlexKrycek]

Come on guys don't be scared by the big posts just read the first to get the main idea and just post if you find the idea good or bad.
That would be really helpful.
Thanks.

[Andrey]

I read everyone's posts and I think it's a great idea, kudos to Alex for bringing this up! We all know how hard it is to maintain a high ratio on a couple of trackers, maybe you downloaded something that had many seeds and no leechers or you jumped right on a huge pack just after having signed up. These are common mistakes which I for one would be glad to fix in a way or another. Although the goals might differ, it's a faisible method to reach them.

As for the persons that should be allowed to join this group *perhaps*, they should already be part of the anti-traders one and even other members with lower rep, but that proved themselves to be trustworthy. They could be chosen by the staff.

Once again, I am glad that this matter has been brought into discussion and I support it 100%!

[djkneegrow]

Good point on ideas for who is part of it. Maybe having a list of rules and requirements would be good too. That would help with some problems that might occur. Is there anyone else having thought to what Alex has started for an idea? I would be willing to do what I can to help with this idea. I do a lot of seeding on many of my trackers to help get my ratio in good standing and I know many others here do the same. Please help with ideas or thoughts about this and if anyone who has power to put this in play could let Alex and the rest of us who have been commenting on this know if it could or couldn't happen that would be cool too.

[sWiFT]

I like the idea... maybe ya can tell me exactly what ya would like so i can get it rolling.

[Ti-Fan]

Nice idea...

i 've seen it before in a tracker..

hopefully it will help people with low ratio....


However we should pay attention to our privacy....
When a requester makes a thread requesting for leechers (especially if he is the only seeder) its obvious that the user is member of this invite community...and many trackers dislike that..

So i suggest that the forum category for this is available only to:

* old members (maybe 30 days or more)
* with some rep,maybe at least 1 light green "box" or more (so that they have offered to the community and they are not people who just created the account a month ago and never came back)

What is more it would be even better if the thread creators appear as anonymous to the other users..


that my thoughts for now...


PS: sry for now reading everything above...:( if someone said these....:rolleyes:

[AlexKrycek]

Posted by Andrey :
I read everyone's posts and I think it's a great idea, kudos to Alex for bringing this up! We all know how hard it is to maintain a high ratio on a couple of trackers, maybe you downloaded something that had many seeds and no leechers or you jumped right on a huge pack just after having signed up. These are common mistakes which I for one would be glad to fix in a way or another. Although the goals might differ, it's a faisible method to reach them.

As for the persons that should be allowed to join this group *perhaps*, they should already be part of the anti-traders one and even other members with lower rep, but that proved themselves to be trustworthy. They could be chosen by the staff.


Agree with that but not only the mistakes destroy your ratio I think many of us want to download older files which have only 1-2 seeders but this last snatch would be a ratio killer so we can't download this files straight off, we have to download newer files (and in some cases files we don't want) to build a ratio, however this can be hard work and take ever when you don't have a fast connection so in the way we would do that we would have much better results, thats why I mentioned that the member who requests "leecher" should be the only seeder or maybe if 2 seeder were on the file would be also okay.


Posted by T.I.-Fan :
However we should pay attention to our privacy....
When a requester makes a thread requesting for leechers (especially if he is the only seeder) its obvious that the user is member of this invite community...and many trackers dislike that..

So i suggest that the forum category for this is available only to:

* old members (maybe 30 days or more)
* with some rep,maybe at least 1 light green "box" or more (so that they have offered to the community and they are not people who just created the account a month ago and never came back)

What is more it would be even better if the thread creators appear as anonymous to the other users..


Privacy would be given if the forum were closed and only accesible to anti-traders club members or better
posted by Andrey : they should already be part of the anti-traders so we can avoid that members only join the club because of this thread. Acces would be granted also to some older members (if they wish so) which missed to get be part of the club.
That the members must have some green rep it's a good idea I think but the selection of these would be a hard work for you mods and admins.

That the thread creator should be appear as anonymous wouldn't help anybody I think and no one would help with pleasure an anonymous guy.


Posted by sWIFT :
I like the idea... maybe ya can tell me exactly what ya would like so i can get it rolling.


I will gather some thoughts from the posts maded in this thread, write some rules and think about how the structure of the new thread should be, then you guys can tell me if it is achievable and make some adds or removes.


But still I would be happy for some more opinions and ideas.

[jonatasmz]

Gread idea man!...
i would love this!...

lets make this come true! xD

[AlexKrycek]

I made some thoughts on how this could look and maked some rules.

The "leecher request" or "upload needed" or whatever this thread can be named should be placed in the privat forums section and would include the rules and the several request threads.

Only anti-traders club members can have access to this thread and it would be
better if the membership of this group would be closed for some time to try this
whole thing out and to avoid that to much members would try to get in the club
only for this.

A request template should be look like this : "Hey guys I need some help at TL
with the file The.Simpsons.S08.DVDRip.5.1.x264-irie.
I need the upload because my ratio felt low because of this file".
Now the person who wants to help can ask for further proofs for example a profile link/screen which shows the ratio of this torrent and the total ratio and then he can decide if he leech or not.

If rep should/can be given for the completition of a request is a thing which the
mods and admins should be decide about.
If rep would be given, a few rules must be added, to receive rep the leecher must
have completed the following conditions :
files of 0-850mb the leecher has to leech 100% of the file
files of 1000-2200mb the leecher has to leech 50% of the file
files of 2500-4400mb the leecher has to leech 25% of the file
files of 5000-9000mb the leecher has to leech 10% of the file
files outside this range are not allowed.

Request is only allowed on files with 1-3 seeders ( some problems can be
occur here : if one of the seeders is a seedbox seeder then the leech has to
stop immediately because it would have no sense )

This are the mail rules,
anyone who wants to propse an add/remove is welcome to do so.

[Diwad]

great idea, realy great. It should be in some private section like you said. And nice rules.
IM UP FOR IT

[AlexKrycek]

Adding a new idea "ipfilter.dat" :

with ipfilter.dat for µtorrent we can bypass the problem which would appear when more then 1-3 user are seeding on a file, ipfilter.dat can block every ip we want.

for example when 5 seeder are on a file with the ip's 192.xxx...., 193.xxx...., 194.xxx...., 195.xxx...., 196.xxx.... and the T.I. member who requests the leech has the ip 194.xxx.... the leecher blocks all the other ip's and so he leech only from the T.I. member.
This require that the T.I. member who requests the leech has to give its ip to the leecher so he can make the .dat file.

I can write a short tutorial on how ipfilter can be used in µtorrent if this will be added.

[ksauron]

Adding a new idea "ipfilter.dat" :

with ipfilter.dat for µtorrent we can bypass the problem which would appear when more then 1-3 user are seeding on a file, ipfilter.dat can block every ip we want.

for example when 5 seeder are on a file with the ip's 192.xxx...., 193.xxx...., 194.xxx...., 195.xxx...., 196.xxx.... and the T.I. member who requests the leech has the ip 194.xxx.... the leecher blocks all the other ip's and so he leech only from the T.I. member.
This require that the T.I. member who requests the leech has to give its ip to the leecher so he can make the .dat file.

I can write a short tutorial on how ipfilter can be used in µtorrent if this will be added.


first , create a text file and put the ip addresses you want to block.

ip addresses can be in a standalone form like xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx , or in the form of a range xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy. The ip addresses should be seperated with a space.

Save the file as ipfilter.dat in %AppData%\uTorrent, and set ipfilter.enable to true in the Advanced tab (under preferences).

Then reload the ipfilter in the Peers tab, right click, and select "Reload IPFilter."

that is it. your idea is up and running
hope it helps.
alex, reduced your work m8.

enjoy!!!! ;)

[ksauron]

after blocking the other ip addresses, you can allow the ones (ppl who made the leecher request) to access the torrent.

Its pretty simple isnt' it. :?

enjoy!

[ksauron]

guys leave your comments.....does it work?
sry for hijacking your thread Alexkrycek :p

[AlexKrycek]

thanks ksauron for the tutorial I just want to add that the folder appdata is hidden and the easiest way to find it is : start--->run--->%AppData%\uTorrent
and here an example on how the textfile can look :

193.172.248.032 - 193.172.248.047 , 000 , Nokia Nederland BV
192.103.130.000 - 192.103.130.255 , Comalco Research Centre
TTi
209.248.064.064 - 209.248.064.079
RevTT
192.139.025.000
203.131.106.160 - 203.131.106.167

when you make the .dat file with the above ip's and put it in the uTorrent folder you can check if the file works by opening µtorrent and clicking "logger" beneath the torrents, then you should see "loaded ipfiltter.dat (5 entries)".

[Lighter]

Brilliant idea - just don't get to complicated with it

[jonatasmz]

the best idea xD....
i would love this!

\o/

[rials6]

all about trust.I would really have to be familiar with this person before i would do it

[PirateChest]

Great idea I know other fourms that have done this and this sytem works great on tracker what are hard to make a good ratio on

[FevTyke]

yes

great idea. would be very helpful.

people leeching would have to be patient with members who have slow upload.

[lolier]

so what, will you reffer highly secret communities or so just to ask for a leecher? like i need a leecher in FTWR?

[AlexKrycek]

so what, will you reffer highly secret communities or so just to ask for a leecher? like i need a leecher in FTWR?

I think that the few people who have f***, U*-* etc. can live without the the "leecher request" and besides users of that kind of trackers would never request a leecher.

[ramires]

great ideas.

i like it

[Fish]

Would be pretty nice, but someone would need quite a fast outgoing bandwidht for this to be of any use? Or am I missing something? And I guess if you could make it work somehow, this would be pretty nice :)